English Language: Common Mistakes ~ Confusing Words "Then" and "Than"
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Confusing Word Groups
There are a number of groups, or pairs, of English words, which can, it seems, confuse the reader, writer or speaker.
Examples include 'effect' and 'affect'; 'their', 'there' and 'they're'; 'principle' and 'principal'; etcetera.
This can cause a lot of problems.
Confusion of terms could, of course, result in misunderstanding.
It could also result in lack of respect for the writer.
Readers want to feel that an author is speaking from a place of knowledge and authority. Using an incorrect word will not help that writer to attain a good reputation.
A good tip would be for writers to check out any words, or groups of words, which they are unsure of, or which confuse them, and check that they are using them correctly.
Keep a dictionary to hand!
A Confused Pair: 'Than' and 'Then'
A confused pair of words that I have noticed, recently, is 'than' and 'then'.
I have only noticed this error, since I have been interacting with Americans, on the Internet. It does not seem to be a common error amongst English people.
I assumed that this error must be related to accent. The 'a' and 'e' sounds may be more similar in American English, than they are in British English.
Alternatively, there may be a connection to the German language ~ and to the words 'dann' and 'denn'.
I tend to consider that 'than' relates to comparison and 'then' relates to time, but, though this is generally true, perhaps it is a little too simplistic.
Let us look at what the Websters and Oxford Online Dictionaries have to say on the matter.
We shall look at these two words in alphabetical order:
First: 'THAN'
Then: 'THEN'
'Than' in the Dictionary
I checked the Oxford and Websters Dictionaries:
'Than' can be a conjunction, or a preposition.
It can be used:
~ For Comparison (second element)
Janet is older than John.
Jack is no taller than Jim is.
~ To show exception, or contrast:
He has no shoes, other than the ones he is wearing
~ As an expression relating to something happening immediately after another event ~ but not to be confused with 'then'
No sooner had the house been built than it was demolished.
Some 'Than' Examples
Tim is stronger than Paul.
Sarah is no better off than Mary is.
He has no ideas, other than the ones he borrows from other people.
No sooner had she finished eating breakfast than she started to prepare lunch.
Fiona is smaller than he (is).
More than ..........
Less than ..........
Bigger than ..........
smaller than ..........
Taller than ..........
Shorter than ..........
Heavier than ..........
Lighter than ..........
Richer than ..........
Poorer than ..........
Etcetera
Well-known examples:
'Deadlier Than the Male' is a British 'James Bond' 'take-odd' film from1967.
'Better late than never' ~ a good old proverb
'Holier than thou' ~ someone, who acts as if they are of superior virtue
'Than' and Use of the Subjunctive
Grammatically, the subjunctive is traditionally used after 'than'.
Most of us do not know much about the subjunctive, or its uses, so I shall illustrate using examples;
'She is taller than he' is considered to be more grammatically 'correct' than 'She is taller than him'.
This is because, if written in full, the sentence could / would be: 'She is taller than he is'.
However, note that, in general ~ especially informal ~ usage, She is taller than him' is considered to be perfectly acceptable, while 'She is taller than he' is used in more formal situations.
But consider this:
'She likes her better than him' may sound a little clumsy, but it is grammatically correct.
This sentence could not be 'She likes her better than he', because the longer, fuller sentence would then be: 'She likes her better than he is' ~ which is, quite clearly, incorrect.
'Than' and Difference
Many people say 'different to' (usually in Britain) or 'different than' (usually in the USA).
Many people consider that these expressions are perfectly acceptable ~ and, certainly, living languages are evolving all the time, and these phrases are, indeed, becoming ever more acceptable.
However, for the writer, who wants to be respected for his / her work, it is always as well to use the 'correct' phrase. And, in 'correct' English, this should be 'different from'.
American English is often very different from British English.
But 'different from' is still better usage for the serious writer!
'Then' in the Dictionary
According to the Oxford Dictionery and Websters Dictionary, this common, short, every-day word has a surprising number of ~ connected ~ uses.
The word can be used:
~ to refer to a specific time: ~ at that time / at another time
~ after a preposition;
~ to mean 'following that / subsequently / consequently;
~ to mean 'in addition';
~ to mean 'in that case' - with the word 'if';
~ to mean 'in that case' when used for emphasis ~ often at the end of a sentence;
~ colloquially to complete a sentence.
(See examples below)
~ Than + Then ~ Than + Then ~ Than + Then ~ Than + Then ~
Grammatical Usage:
This word can be used, grammatically, in three different ways;
~ As an adverb
~ As an adjective
~ As a conjunction
Some 'Then' Examples
~ He arrived at two o'clock = he arrived then.
~ I was just a schoolgirl then.
~ By then, he was ready to go home.
~ The then headmistress was Miss Brown
~ She put on her business suit and then she left for work
~ They had three girls and then a boy
~ She goes to school all day ~ and then there's the homework!
~ If you follow the instructions, then you should complete the task easily.
~ So she's still going to meet him then.
~ If you don't have it, then who does?
~ I'll see you later then.
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Some 'Then' Phrases
'Now and then' / 'Every Now and then' ~ occasionally.
Eg. I pop in to see her every now and then.
'Just then' ~ at a specific time past (possibly suddenly)
Eg. Just then, the door flew open
'By then' ~ by that time.
Eg The lecture ended after two hours. By then, I was bored and tired.
'Then again' ~ giving a different point of view.
Eg. I might go into Town later. Then again, I might not bother.
'But then' ~ another contrasting viewpoint.
Eg. She is very late, but then, she always did arrive late.
The phrases were provided by Websters Online Dictionary. The examples are my own.
Etymology - 'Than' and 'Then'
Both Oxford and Websters state that 'than' and 'then' were originally the same word.
Oxford gives a brief etymology.
Both words, 'than' and 'then', derive from German origins and became, in Old English, 'thænne', 'thanne' and / or 'thonne'. (þænne, þanne, þonne,)
Linguists have assumed an ancient origin in the Proto-Germanic 'thana'. (Proto-Germanic is a hypothetical ancestral Germanic language.)
'Then' is related to both the Dutch 'dan' and the German 'dann'.
German has evolved two related words ~ both 'dann 'and 'denn' ~ but they do not have the same meanings as 'than' and 'then'. Rather, they are both versions of 'then'.
According to the 'Online Etymology Dictionary', 'than' developed from 'then' and the two words were not differentiated from one another, as far as spelling is concerned, until around the year 1700.
This Etymological dictionary makes some suggestions as to how the 'then -> than' development may have occurred. This is one example that they give:
~ 'A is bigger, then ("after that") B.'
may have evolved into:
~ 'A is bigger than B'
An alternative suggestion that they give is that 'the word may trace to O.E. 'thonne' / 'þonne' ~ 'when, when as'.'
German 'Dann' and 'Denn'
In its vocabulary pages, the German text book, 'Sprich Mal Deutsch 1', gives the meaning of both 'dann' and 'denn'.
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'Dann' = 'then' (time)
This is one example used:
Zuerst ist Mutter sehr erschrocken und dann sehr bose
First mother is startled and then very angry.
Wissen Sie das nicht? ~ Dann sind sie nicht sehr intelligent!
You don't know that? ~ Then you are not very intelligent.
This is very similar to the 'in that case' use of 'then' Ie. 'If ...then...' usage.
Eg. If you don't know that, then you are not very intelligent.
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'Denn' = 'then' (consequence)
This example is used:
Ich weiss, wenn es acht Uhr ist, denn der Wecker lautet sehr laut.
I know, when it is eight o'clock, then the alarm will ring very loudly.
(As a conjunction, 'denn' can also mean 'for'.)
This is not a lesson in German, so there is no need to remember this, it is simply to illustrate that both 'dann' and 'denn' can mean 'then' in German and, since English is a Germanic language, and both 'than' and 'then' had the same Germanic origin, then perhaps it is not so surprising that some people confuse the two.
(Interestingly, 'than', in German is 'als'!)
Pronunciation
'Than' has an 'a' in it.
It rhymes with 'man', 'pan', ran', etc.
'Then' has an 'e' in it.
It rhymes with 'men', 'pen', 'den', etc.
Both words begin with the same 'th' sound, so the tongue will start off between the teeth.
Wikihow explains how each word is spoken.
When saying 'than', the mouth should be wide open. After completing the 'th' sound, 'the tongue is then pressed down toward the teeth' and the 'throat is somewhat constricted'. 'The vowel ~ a ~ sounds from the back of the mouth'.
When saying 'then', the mouth should only be 'partially open'. After completing the 'th' sound, 'the tongue' simply 'rests'. The 'throat' is 'relaxed'. 'The vowel rises from [the] throat'.
More here:
http://www.wikihow.com/Use-Than-and-Then
Paul Brians
How To Remember???
If we are having problems with this, then how do we know when to use 'than' and when to use 'then'?
It is all very well being told that these words mean different things, and must not be confused, but how does one remember which is which?
Everyone who has a problem with these terms needs to come up with a memory aid, which suits each of them, personally.
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Here is one idea:
How about remembering a specific phrase, where the words rhyme?
Than ~ Jan is cannier than the man.
Then ~ First Ben spoke to Den and then he spoke to Len.
Online Advice
You can find more advice, on this subject, by searching online. Just key "than then" into Google.
There are also other hubs on this topic. Do check them out.
Online Dictionaries:
http://oxforddictionaries.com
http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org
http://www.etymonline.com
http://www.jebbo.co.uk/learn-oe/origins.htm
Conclusion
'Than' and 'then' have the same etymological origins.
It appears that they were once the same word.
In German 'dann' means 'then'.
Possibly, in certain parts of the English-speaking world, they are pronounced in a similar way.
For any, or all, of these reasons, some people confuse the words 'than' and 'then'.
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Whatever the reason, it is important for serious writers to remember that ...
~ these are no longer the same word;
~ they are not interchangeable;
~ they are not spelled the same
~ they are not pronounced the same
~ the differences must be learned, understood and remembered!
Remember ....
'Than' relates to comparison.
'Then' relates to time.
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Here are some more practice examples to help with memory:
Fran ran faster than the man.
Jen spoke first to Ken and then to Ben.
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Practise, practise, practise ~ until you are sure and happy about usage.
In American English, that's practice, practice, practice!
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Trish_M: The troublesome pairs which you mentioned in the beginning of this excellent hub --- along with others such as it's/its --- have fortunately never been a problem for me, thanks to my father teaching me Latin before grade school, which sensitized me to connotations, nuances, etc. Over the years, however, I have noticed that these pairs confuse others, especially non-native speakers of English whom I have tutored.
It is interesting that the distinction between than/then seems to be evinced in American writing. Another peculiarity which I've noticed recently here in the States is the use of "I" instead of "me" as direct objects in sentences such as "He told Jim and I that. . .", whereas "me" is used instead of "I" in sentences such as "It's me." Is that happening in the UK as well?
Well organized, well written (of course!), pertinent, timely, with clear examples.
Voted up + useful + funny + interesting
Kind regards, Stessily
P.S. liftandsoar's comments are hilarious! I love the usage of than or then in every single sentence!
This was something that a lot of people should know and not enough do. I posted it to my facebook corporate wall because some of the people who visit are not English as first language speakers.
I have had problems with English most of my life because it was my third language. I still put sentences together backwards (to me) because that is how it is in English.
My mother and father were both Multi lingual but in different languages, which made growing up confusing to say the least.
You've got the then's and than down to a tee Trish. Good work in your usual thorough style and a nice refresher on their proper usage. Sometimes I leave the h out of where, not sure why.But it keeps happening.
Trish_M: I agree with your husband about Latin! I loved learning the language pre-grade school from my father and all subsequent Latin classes which I took.
Welsh and Sinhala --- interesting combination and such lovely languages.
A than-then example that amuses me is Bob Dylan's "My Back Pages." The refrain, "I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now," is correct in the written lyrics, but in his singing Bob Dylan basically either pronounces them both as "then" or "then" sounds like "than" and "than" sounds like "then," making the refrain sound this way: "I was so much older than, I'm younger then that now."
Kind regards, Stessily
Hi Trish. I thought you'd be too busy rioting to write hubs! (Teehee).
The ones that always confuse me are "that" and "which"
You might emlighten me...Bob
As in, for example. "It was the one that she thought it had been." Or "It was the one which she thought it had been" Etc.
Enlighten I mean. This effing computer has lost my edit comments button again! I wish some hoodie would relieve me of it Grrrr!
Very good! A guide to the pitfalls and pratfalls of use in English... or even using English. When I've got time I'll take a closer look. There are many comparisons with Danish as well - and northern English use of the language. Listen a while if you're in Yorkshire or County Durham, there are links to the way the language developed and its pronunciation from the original Danish usage. The common man's spoken English, most of which is thought of as poor grammar stems from a similar background! That might be an explanation for difficulties experienced in different parts of England, say between former Danelaw counties and West Midlands Mercia.
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liftandsoar Level 4 Commenter 9 months ago
Hi Trish. My parents were more careful than most in the way they used words. I have then picked it up. The difference between than and then has never been a problem to me. So much of how a person speaks relates more to what she heard back then, than what she learns from books. It seems then, that we have an easier time agreeing on the English language than on theology. Cheers!